Twitter reaction to my #TAM2012 speech
August 1, 2012 16 Comments
I’ve gotten a fantastic reaction to my presentations at The Amazing Meeting 2012 (TAM2012) this year. Part of that reaction took place on Twitter during my talks and in the weeks since.
Twitter has a notoriously short memory, its search only goes a few days back. So comments on a live event can slip into Twitter’s memory hole alarmingly quickly. They’re actually all still there, but just inaccessible unless you know the URLs.
So I thought I would capture the live comments on my TAM2012 Plenary talk: You are the Future of Skepticism on the Internet. They give you an idea of what live-tweeting on a speech is like, and show what the initial reaction to the talk was.
I’ve included both positive and negative comments, as many as I could find. These are presented in mostly chronological order, though I’ve reordered a few comments when it helps to follow the flow of conversation. And as you’ll see, I pulled out one sub-conversation so it can be read on its own.
Live Tweeting and Initial Reaction
Tim Farley .@krelnik says "YOU are the future of Skepticism on the Internet." #tam2012—
Randi Foundation (@jref) July 15, 2012
The tools are now such that you don't need to be a computer expert to have an impact on the web. #tam2012—
Randi Foundation (@jref) July 15, 2012
The number of skeptical podcasts have risen steadily since 2005 and are now somewhat stabilized around 96. #tam2012 http://t.co/dSHatMHb—
Randi Foundation (@jref) July 15, 2012
Tim just gave us a shoutout! Thanks @krelnik bit.ly/pjMKCF #TAM2012—
Doubtful News (@DoubtfulNews) July 15, 2012
@DoubtfulNews is a great source of skeptical items. @OhNoPodcast is a show that investigates directly. #tam2012—
Randi Foundation (@jref) July 15, 2012
JREF Fellow, Tim Farley (@krelnik) with Skepticism and the Internet at #TAM2012 twitpic.com/a81lo5—
David Price (@crocofish) July 15, 2012
Tim also gave a shoutout to @txhoudini's Skeptics on the Net! #TAM2012—
Sharon Hill (@IDoubtIt) July 15, 2012
Some other fantastic resources on the web. You can find more at skepticsonthe.net #tam2012 http://t.co/Mfae2TvE—
Randi Foundation (@jref) July 15, 2012
We need more skeptical tools. We need more people wielding the tools we do have. #tam2012—
Randi Foundation (@jref) July 15, 2012
Lots of great, new tools for skeptics getting listed by Tim Farley #tam2012 rbutr, fishbarrel, reference apps, etc.—
Mitchell Lampert (@MitchLampert) July 15, 2012
"Science will win because it works." -Stephen Hawking. But science still needs our help. .@krelnik #tam2012—
Randi Foundation (@jref) July 15, 2012
Great philosopher Han Solo, "Great kid. Don't get cocky." – Tim Farley #TAM2012—
(@LarianLeQuella) July 15, 2012
We don't have multi-million dollar budgets like the Discovery Institute, so we need to focus on using wisely the tools we have. #tam2012—
Randi Foundation (@jref) July 15, 2012
Science works, bitches. But, it can't win automatically. It needs our help to bring it to light. Explains Tim Farley #tam2012—
Mitchell Lampert (@MitchLampert) July 15, 2012
@Hayleystevens mentioned by @krelnik @ #TAM2012 :-)—
Tom Hail (@fly44d) July 15, 2012
@fly44d Oh gosh. How lovely! There are much bigger blogs out there though, odd to be included. Thanks for letting me know though :)—
Hayley M Stevens (@Hayleystevens) July 15, 2012
We are missing opportunities. For example, we did not support effort to fix DSHEA legislation which weakened the FDA. #tam2012—
Randi Foundation (@jref) July 15, 2012
Thanks @krelnik for pointing out the waste of time it is to pharyngulate a poll. #TAM2012 DO SOMETHING USEFUL INSTEAD.—
Sharon Hill (@IDoubtIt) July 15, 2012
Poll bombing is a waste of time. 50 hours of work by skeptics was unable to remove creation museum. #tam2012 http://t.co/JfSldeqf—
Randi Foundation (@jref) July 15, 2012
Poll crashing is fun but pointless, says @krelnik. Time can be spent better, even 2 minutes at a time. #TAM2012—
Kyle VanderBeek (@kvbeek) July 15, 2012
RT @jref: Edit Wikipedia! It gets way more hits than almost any blog can. .@SusanGerbic has done a fantastic job of this. #tam2012—
(@iamcuriousblue) July 15, 2012
Web of Trust is a browser plug-in that warns users about websites with dubious content. 30 million users. #tam2012 http://t.co/KqICCAK8—
Randi Foundation (@jref) July 15, 2012
Tim Farley gave skeptics.stackexchange.com a shoutout! I'm a mod there. Thanks @krelnik #TAM2012—
(@LarianLeQuella) July 15, 2012
Stop wasting your time yelling at each other in 15 page comment threads. YES!!!! Find the real baddies. It's not each other. #TAM2012—
Sharon Hill (@IDoubtIt) July 15, 2012
Stop wasting your time on the web! Don't bomb polls, don't get dragged into pointless debates on threads. Be effective. .@krelnik #tam2012—
Randi Foundation (@jref) July 15, 2012
Just got an incredible amount of info from #Tim Farley @krelnik about tools and places on the Internet to use for public education. TY!—
The Barefoot Skeptic (@BarefootSkeptic) July 15, 2012
Tim Farley @krelnik terrific presentation! One of the best of the conference #TAM2012—
Dave Brown (@davidebrown) July 15, 2012
.@krelnik fired up the crowd about doing real and effective skeptic activism online. Check out skeptools.com #tam2012—
Brian Gregory (@briandgregory) July 15, 2012
@krelnik Great job by Tim Farley at @tam2012 check out whatstheharm.net—
Kim Artlip (@RealKimArtlip) July 15, 2012
It's a good name. RT @jref Tim Farley .@krelnik says "YOU are the future of Skepticism on the Internet." #tam2012—
dmf (@dmfarley) July 15, 2012
Woohoo! Thanks @krelnik! MT @IDoubtIt: Tim also gave a shoutout to @txhoudini's Skeptics on the Net! #TAM2012—
Eric (@txhoudini) July 15, 2012
Thanks to @krelnik for the shoutout at #TAM2012! We wish we were there!—
Skeptics On The .Net (@SkepticsNet) July 15, 2012
Your talk was fuckin' aces @krelnik We waste so much time fighting, boasting or RE-DOING the same work.—
John Rael (@SkepticallyPwnd) July 16, 2012
Inspired by @krelnik at #TAM2012, I have added my first item to rbutr: tinyurl.com/c6ex7o2 … hopefully many more to follow.—
Abraham Heward (@abraham_heward) July 16, 2012
One day into my post #tam2012 life, @krelnik 's talk has taken on even more relevance in how one should spend their time. Bravo—
Shane P. Brady (@ShanePBrady) July 18, 2012
I'm really enjoying how fired-up to "do something" all of my #skeptic friends seem after #tam2012. I hope it lasts.—
Brian Gregory (@briandgregory) July 19, 2012
@mirandachale @toxicpath @RichardDawkins @krelnik's talk was great. I'll post my photo of when he mentioned rbutr in a moment….—
Shane Greenup (@Aegist) July 20, 2012
@krelnik talking about rbutr in his powerful #TAM2012 talk on being a proactive skeptic and getting things done! http://t.co/eF4TjEhu—
Shane Greenup (@Aegist) July 20, 2012
Poll Bombing Strikes a Nerve
Near the middle of my talk I mention poll crashing (or as some call it, freeping). You can see Kyle VanderBeek, Sharon Hill and Hayley Stevens agree with my comments above. Their tweets caught the attention of a prominent blogger, who despite not being present managed to get angry enough to continue tweeting about this one point in my 30 minute talk for the next hour and 19 minutes (about 20 total tweets). Here is what he said:
Dumb ol' @krelnik. RT @kvbeek: Poll crashing is fun but pointless, says @krelnik. Time can be spent better, 2 minutes at a time. #TAM2012—
PZ Myers (@pzmyers) July 15, 2012
To explain why I disagree: because he was dumb. RT @ckoontz: @pzmyers, what was the point of calling @krelnik dumb? Why not just disagree?—
PZ Myers (@pzmyers) July 15, 2012
Because everyone has their schedule so full of efficiency, that they can't spare 30 seconds. Hey, turn off True Blood instead!—
PZ Myers (@pzmyers) July 15, 2012
OK, turn off Wolf Blitzer. Spend 1 min poll bombing, 59 fixing the world. RT @justinpalod: That's not fair, no one can turn off True Blood—
PZ Myers (@pzmyers) July 15, 2012
LIKE TWEET. RT @IDoubtIt: Thanks @krelnik for pointing out waste of time it is to pharyngulate a poll. #TAM2012 DO SOMETHING USEFUL INSTEAD.—
PZ Myers (@pzmyers) July 15, 2012
He has no clue. RT @kvbeek: @pzmyers @krelnik had suggestions of other ways to spend 60 seconds helping in other ways. I'm sure he'll post.—
PZ Myers (@pzmyers) July 15, 2012
I really want @krelnik to tell me what to do with every 60 second slice of my day.—
PZ Myers (@pzmyers) July 15, 2012
Add multiple people wasting 60 seconds and you've got a lot of time that could be spent doing something productive…—
Hayley M Stevens (@Hayleystevens) July 15, 2012
@pzmyers @krelnik I'm guessing it would be 'not react to polite suggestions in a hostile manner'?—
Hayley M Stevens (@Hayleystevens) July 15, 2012
Pollbombing is a fast way to make people aware of your existence. It challenges default assumptions about who will respond.—
PZ Myers (@pzmyers) July 15, 2012
It is dishonest to make it sound like something that consumes time better spent in other ways. ALL OF US do trivial things for our pleasure.—
PZ Myers (@pzmyers) July 15, 2012
And if we can couple that to increasing public awareness of our existence, it's a painless, effortless plus.—
PZ Myers (@pzmyers) July 15, 2012
Right. RT @UKAtheist: @pzmyers not to mention the valid (important) point it makes about vast majority of online polls—
PZ Myers (@pzmyers) July 15, 2012
And then there's the nagging nanny aspect of telling people that occasional bits of easy fun is wrong, and that they MUST be more productive—
PZ Myers (@pzmyers) July 15, 2012
It's a kind of puritanical shaming tactic, to which the only appropriate response is "fuck off."—
PZ Myers (@pzmyers) July 15, 2012
If we're going to get fussy about efficient use of time, lecturing us to stop doing something we spend a minute a week on is good example.—
PZ Myers (@pzmyers) July 15, 2012
@pzmyers @krelnik Those "pointless online arguments" teach a lot of young skeptics how to argue, research on the fly, call out fallacies etc—
Tom (@Doubting_Tom) July 15, 2012
I want that for you too. RT @pzmyers: I really want @krelnik to tell me what to do with every 60 second slice of my day.—
Joey H. (@ExileDispatches) July 15, 2012
As for wasting time arguing on the internets…that's *practice*. That's how we figure out where we stand.—
PZ Myers (@pzmyers) July 15, 2012
I have begun un-following hate-mongering skeptics who can not accept the slightest criticism and who actively choose insults over discussion—
The Mad Skeptic (@TheMadSkeptic) July 15, 2012
@pzmyers People can be wrong without being dumb. No need to be mean to allies.—
Kyle VanderBeek (@kvbeek) July 15, 2012
And sometimes they're dumb. RT @kvbeek: @pzmyers People can be wrong without being dumb.—
PZ Myers (@pzmyers) July 15, 2012
@pzmyers No, but I think we can be more effective if we argue more constructively and kindly in-group.—
Kyle VanderBeek (@kvbeek) July 15, 2012
@pzmyers @krelnik is many things but he is NOT dumb. I didn't hear the talk but discussion of the effectiveness of poll slamming seems legit—
(@masalaskeptic) July 16, 2012
A Dose of Humor
A few other folks found the above to be a bit over the top, and responded humorously:
Dumb ol' @krelnik—
(@taypro) July 16, 2012
Dumb ol’ @krelnik.—
Brian Thompson (@AmSci) July 16, 2012
Can we start a non-scientific poll on how dumb @krelnik is? I feel like bombing something pointless to advance skepticism.—
Christian Walters (@phlebas) July 16, 2012
Comments on the Full Script
After I had time to decompress from TAM, and reformat a few photos and the like from my slides, I posted the script to my talk here on the blog. The positive reaction continued:
To everyone still trying to understand the big deal about being online, read this skeptools.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/tam… #asa2012—
Pamela L. Gay (@starstryder) July 23, 2012
I've just had my day made by this inspiring post from @krelnik & it's only 8:40am! skeptools.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/tam… < Let's do this, people!—
Hayley M Stevens (@Hayleystevens) July 23, 2012
A fantastic talk by @krelnik RT @jref: #TAM2012 Plenary: You Are the Future of Skepticism on the Internet bit.ly/Pzn2sQ—
Miranda Celeste Hale (@mirandachale) July 23, 2012
Fantastic (on skepticism) MT @starstryder To everyone still trying to understand big deal about being online, read this skeptools.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/tam…—
Jo Brodie (@JoBrodie) July 23, 2012
Check it out! RT @krelnik: Transcript of "You are the Future of Skepticism on the Internet" my #TAM2012 speech bit.ly/MC4C8b—
Doubtful News (@DoubtfulNews) July 23, 2012
The podcast @theskepticwire took my #TAM2012 talk to heart! Take 30 seconds to rate Natural News on WOT. Details: bit.ly/NtrwCb—
Tim Farley (@krelnik) July 24, 2012
A very helpful and interesting read by @krelnik: "#TAM2012 Plenary: You Are the Future of Skepticism on the Internet: wp.me/pgBak-1at"—
Femme Ke (@femme_ke) July 24, 2012
@krelnik @femme_ke I'll second that … Both a good talk and also a good read … Thanks for taking the time to do it … It was appreciated—
David Gamble (@david_gamble) July 24, 2012
I’m still waiting for the blogger who didn’t like my take on poll bombing to read the full script and comment on what I actually said, rather than what he thought I said.
In any case, if you’ve never had the chance to follow along with a live event via Twitter, that gives you a taste of what “live tweeting” is like.
Thanks also to @postielinley and Tana Owens who also made nice comments. I couldn’t include your comments here because your timelines are protected. But know they were appreciated.


Thanks Tim, (seems I’m forever saying that)
Wanted to point out that Ross Blocher (from Oh No Ross and Carrie podcast and the IIG) was the JREF person doing that awesome tweet job during your speech.
Oh, thanks! I meant to look up who the guest JREF tweeter was and dropped the ball. It was quite a bit of work finding all the permalinks to these tweets and getting them in an order that was readable.
Thanks, Ross!
“Thanks Tim, (seems I’m forever saying that)”
Hahaha. That sounds familiar. :)
FWIW, daily rbutr usage (rebuttals added) has increased by about 10x since TAM2012.
I also got a few new people to follow on twitter from this post.
Excellent! That was why I took the trouble to make all the tweets “live” and not just static screen shots.
Can you tip us off on the Tweet retrieval tool you used. Is the tweet display a wordpress plugin? What happens if the above linked tweets are deleted?
Yes, the embedded tweets are a standard feature that they include at WordPress.com. I think this is the plugin for Twitter embeds for standalone WordPress installs..
To retrieve I used several tools. I used the Epilogger archive of the #TAM2012 hashtag to find the bones of the discussion. I augmented that with all the stuff out of my own mentions column. I chased a few replies and retweets back to the originals, and went back through particular Twitter user’s feeds (such as JREF) to pick up stragglers.
I think the tweets stick around even if deleted, but I’m willing to bet that if I subsequently edited the post after a Tweet was deleted, it would break it. (You simply paste the URL into the post, so when you save it has to fetch the tweet contents to render it).
What a great example of using actual data to support your purpose.
This must have taken a lot of time and work to do. I appreciate a thorough and careful post. This was a great read-through of the reaction to a well-prepared talk. And thanks for reminding me why I stopped reading PZ two years back.
Tim, this is such a revealing look at how these kinds of discussions play out in real time, and such a rich opportunity for reflection on how we use social media both to amplify and to distort statements and ideas. Very nice job putting this together, and fabulous talk to begin with.
Tim, your presentation was excellent as all your presentations are. This one was most inspiring and I know I took what you said to heart. WoT has been on my computer for a while and I intend to make more use of it now.
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Thanks Tim! It was a pleasure to meet you at TAM, and hope to meet you much more in the future. Keep up the great work.
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